Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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Comments • 3 972

  • Looper
    Looper   2 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Sevren Hoover
      Sevren Hoover  16 hours back

      Pogokoala agree 110%

    • Painted Solace
      Painted Solace  1 days back

      @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

    • Originality Am
      Originality Am  2 days back

      It's multiple choice .

    • Dean W. Thomas
      Dean W. Thomas  2 days back

      I don’t believe any of it happened except for the final scene.

    • Kenneth Lam
      Kenneth Lam  2 days back

      @Jeff A. except for this exact movie, because its exactly what the main character would do and has historically done

  • carina
    carina  5 minutes back

    i wish it was real joker plzzz

    • Brian Rosin
      Brian Rosin  3 hours back

      So the guy who suffers from the pseudobulbar effect, and is mentally ill, isnt the joker?

      • only a comentary nothing special

        This whole "he isn't really the Joker thing" really starts to piss me off

        • wildfire 456
          wildfire 456  5 hours back

          I personally think the "joke" was indeed the story of the Joker as many suggest. But I have another thing to add. The entire story is not a joke. Only the parts where he gets recognized e.g where he's with his supposed girlfriend, where Murray acknowledges him and even where he's surrounded by his followers. Perhaps the joke is that he never really got any sort of attention. And ofcourse, it was too complex to explain it to the psychiatrist at the spot. Hence "you wouldn't get it". This is just my take on the movie.

          • Woke Cat
            Woke Cat  7 hours back

            Holyshit now after hearing it’s meaning it hits hard after hitting this

            • Zuloten
              Zuloten  8 hours back

              I would love to see a death in the family with phoenix

              • elle_aye
                elle_aye  8 hours back

                "It was all a dream"... meh

                • Msc Solar
                  Msc Solar  8 hours back

                  I just watched it

                  • Joshua Wrathall
                    Joshua Wrathall  9 hours back

                    Two little tidbits...I might be talking crazy here but I think a Batman and Joker movie would be ok...without Batman...if that makes sense. I think it would be cool to have Joker fully embrace his chaotic Joker. Have Arthur actually he Joker. And throughout the whole movie it’s kind of building on Bats becoming Batman but always trying to find a different way to fight things until finally he fees the only way to win is to fight fire with fire in a sense...and that’s how we can lead into the newer Batman generation. Only problem is that would have to mean Robat (Pattinson’s Batman) will have to come out after. It’s make sense cause Pattinson is still pretty young so the age difference wouldn’t be too crazy.

                    Something along those lines at least.

                    My second point...I honestly think they made a point to specifically show that Sophie wasn’t his girlfriend after all and that He wasn’t actually on the Murray Show at the beginning part. Just think it would be weird to specifically only make those parts obvious and not the rest...🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

                    • Sky Barry
                      Sky Barry  9 hours back

                      Tbh I love villain movies. I love learning about the past of them

                      • James Henchy
                        James Henchy  10 hours back

                        No definitely not....epic and happy to hear the sequel will stay it’s own

                        • Kori Hayes
                          Kori Hayes  11 hours back

                          If you want to see what The media has to say about it head over to my Channel 🥴 why so serious media

                          • victor evans
                            victor evans  11 hours back

                            This is the reason why DC movies never reach its target audience... cos they(DC production) are the only people who thinks their films are interesting... do it right... be straight to the point... we all just wanna be entertained...

                            • ☢ ƬƝƬƁOƳ-Ɗα-Ɓαωz ☢

                              I love this movie

                              • Miss Raline
                                Miss Raline  11 hours back

                                Just watched this movie for the second time and i think all of it is real except the part that shown in movie it's not..

                                At the very beginning scene Arthur was talking to the social activist that he feel better locked up in Arkham asylum , and there's a glimpse of Arkham white room which he's banging his head. I thought that scene shows Arthur is in mental illness condition and tried to hurt himself so they locked him up..

                                Remember when he get to Arkham Hospital again to look up his mother ( Penny Fleck) documents? In that scene he's asking the clerk how to get in here, while the clerk answers people who get in here is hurting other people or hurting themselves.. In my opinion Arthur done every bad thing to get in there..

                                At the very last, he locked up for killing 5 people, and he thought of joke. That joke might be his life nothing but comedy..

                                Who's with me?

                                • Roo Seph
                                  Roo Seph  11 hours back

                                  This is all BS to drum up hype and mystery for the movie/character and it's all cop out answer for the director.

                                  • Madison K
                                    Madison K  12 hours back

                                    You didn't explain the ending at all

                                    • Lucas Arnquist
                                      Lucas Arnquist  12 hours back

                                      This is stupid just let us enjoy the movie

                                      • IRUNASSAULT
                                        IRUNASSAULT  13 hours back

                                        I really hate the "it was all a dream" cliche.
                                        It totally ruins the impact of the movie when you want to rewatch it, because hey, why should I care about anything that happens when it's all a feverdream?
                                        Its interesting to think some things were just Arthur's imagination but the whole thing? That would kill the love I have for the film entirely.

                                        • Callie Pait
                                          Callie Pait  13 hours back

                                          It’s pretty obvious that Arthur Fleck had realized, by the end of the movie, that he was just a character. He starts to sing the song that is then presented as the ending scene song so he is just coming to terms with the fact that his life is a tragic comedy written for an audience. Arthur Fleck is the joker. The joker knows he’s a character. He is breaking the fourth wall and the entire movie was just working up to that fact.

                                          • Dakota Stepe
                                            Dakota Stepe  15 hours back

                                            I think the whole clown riot thing was real and the end is after he has been captured by Batman and figured that he Cause Bruce Wayne’s parents to get killed

                                            • Jeremy Menning
                                              Jeremy Menning  17 hours back

                                              Cesar Romero.
                                              Jack Nicholson.
                                              Mark Hamill.
                                              Cameron Monaghan.
                                              Zack Galifinakis.
                                              Jared Leto.
                                              Heath Ledger.
                                              Joaquin Phoenix.

                                              They were all The Joker.
                                              And none of them were The Joker.

                                              • Thomas DL
                                                Thomas DL  18 hours back

                                                I want him to be the joker!

                                                • giada
                                                  giada  21 hours back

                                                  The director seems to openly approve the theory "The movie was just Arthur's immagination. Arthur is not the real joker". Too easy! This means, to me, that the theory will soon prove to be wrong XD
                                                  I have experience with series's writers who approve fans's theories and then write different stories XD
                                                  I think Todd and Joaquin are really considering a "Joker" sequel, and maybe when/if they'll confirm the sequel they'll tell us the truth abous the last scene.

                                                  • Ileamar Ferrer
                                                    Ileamar Ferrer  21 hours back

                                                    Joaquin Phoenix is the Joker! No one else!

                                                    • Hugo Brömme
                                                      Hugo Brömme  22 hours back

                                                      "Perhaps he told the story to a fellow Arkham State Hospital inmate who then became the real Joker who fights Batman"

                                                      Not only does that sound like stupid overanalyzing bullshit but also unsatisfying as fuck if it's actually true. It would ruin the movie for me completely.

                                                      • DonutWarLord
                                                        DonutWarLord  22 hours back

                                                        All of it happened except the part with his girlfriend.
                                                        The end scene was in the future where he more than likely got locked up and he was thinking of batman.

                                                        • Muath Nasser
                                                          Muath Nasser  1 days back

                                                          He is the Joker's father. (Although I don't like this scenario)
                                                          In the movie you can notice how he draws a smile in Bruce's face, and how he do the same action many times throughout the movie. Maybe that is what the original Joker meant when he tell the story of his scars "why so serious son"

                                                          • david ortega
                                                            david ortega  1 days back

                                                            The movie is actually pretty simple. He is the real Joker. It's just that at the very end scene, he's giving another Bull crap story that he made up to yet, another Doctor trying to understand what made the Joker INTO the Joker. Think of it as the abusive father story that he fed to Harley Quinn in Batman: The Animated series. It's all Bull shit.

                                                            • Sebastian B
                                                              Sebastian B  1 days back

                                                              The one thing that makes me wonder is that Arthur is one generation ahead of Bruce. He would have to be over 60 when meeting Batman.

                                                              • Ryan King
                                                                Ryan King  1 days back

                                                                So what, he explained it by saying its a mystery?... right...

                                                                • yee yee
                                                                  yee yee  1 days back

                                                                  i’m gonna have to watch this movie like 10 times to completely understand what and who arthur fleck truly is. i’ve already seen it twice and after watching this video, it’s making me ponder if arthur is the real joker??? then why the hell would the whole movie be titled joker, or him being brought up and introduced as that. saying he’s “not the real joker” is a lame ass way to describe this cinematic fucking masterpiece.

                                                                  • JiNzX115
                                                                    JiNzX115  1 days back

                                                                    When asked about the potential of merging two worlds together, Joker and Batman, Todd immediately says NOPE, NEVER. I mean like....Nolan boss has set the bar so high up, Todd clearly doesn't wanna end up like Suicide Squad lmao.....You can see his face, he's scared shitless and runs off.

                                                                    • JiNzX115
                                                                      JiNzX115  1 days back

                                                                      At the end, he's really laughing at the irony of his whole life being a joke. No origin, no identity, bullied on the street, subway, no relationship, has a laughing condition, tried to work his way up as a comedian only to find himself ridiculed by a person he idolized as a father figure. How can you not see that? It was so obvious.

                                                                      • Jacob Martinez
                                                                        Jacob Martinez  1 days back

                                                                        Well this was a waste time

                                                                        • Jay Smith
                                                                          Jay Smith  1 days back

                                                                          Nice to see that Looper finally found a movie to make videos about other than Avengers Endgame.

                                                                          • Dave Deacon
                                                                            Dave Deacon  1 days back

                                                                            I actually just commented to my son that I believe the entire story was in his head. That he may not even be The Joker as even the title is vague "Joker". I think this movie is about mental illness and how we (society) needs to try and make some sense of it where none can be made. We need to put him in some sort of category. Notice how everyone tries to make this movie fit what they want to see and quickly criticize anyone who disagrees. I actually hope the director never explains it as like great art, it is in the eye of the beholder.

                                                                            • turbo shaft
                                                                              turbo shaft  2 days back

                                                                              We don't actually see the joker get captured after the Murray Franklin show so I can only presume that it's the same after he stands on the car so I believe the whole arthur turns into the joker thing is real and he gets captured shortly after he stands on the car but also you cant compare ledger and Phoenix because ledger plays the enemy of batman and Phoenix takes on a different role

                                                                              • JRayC2002
                                                                                JRayC2002  2 days back

                                                                                Knowing the whole film never happened and that he may not be the real joker ruined the entire film for me, this would of been the best film of the year but the whole dream thing is terrible writing.

                                                                                • rah
                                                                                  rah  2 days back

                                                                                  Okay so he just randomly makes up how jokers life is, this a joke.

                                                                                  • Stephen Sharma
                                                                                    Stephen Sharma  2 days back

                                                                                    Whose the narrator of this video is she as hot as she sounds?

                                                                                    • Connor McAnerney
                                                                                      Connor McAnerney  2 days back

                                                                                      I read a theory that I personally believe is what the ending means


                                                                                      The final scene in Arkham is set in the future, after Bruce became the Batman and captured Joker, that's why he doesn't have his dyed hair anymore. He was thinking back on the night of the riot when the Waynes were killed and puts two and two together that Bruce became the Batman. Thats why the psychiatrist wouldn't get what he's laughing at. He just got the ultimate punchline: he was the one to create the Batman.

                                                                                      • kristin
                                                                                        kristin  2 days back

                                                                                        this isn’t a movie about the comic book characters at all. This is a commentary on our social system and our treatment of mentally ill and low income people. It’s genius to use the joker theme as a format to bring these messages to the forefront to be discussed. That is what we are meant to discuss, not if Batman is coming or if his experiences were real or imagined.

                                                                                        • Essmat Arafa
                                                                                          Essmat Arafa  2 days back

                                                                                          Sure Nolan is better than you !

                                                                                          • savin padencherry
                                                                                            savin padencherry  2 days back

                                                                                            If this isn't the real joker then I'm pretty sure a lot of viewers would as disappointed in the movie as they were impressed by it.. I hope it doesn't turn out that way... Then the movie would turn out to have a lot of plotholes

                                                                                            • ja bo
                                                                                              ja bo  1 days back

                                                                                              He's "a Joker" just not the one Batman faces in this timeline. Which sorta makes sense because after all Joker is a master schemer and renowned gangster dangerous enough to rival Batman.

                                                                                          • Mosta Ali
                                                                                            Mosta Ali  2 days back

                                                                                            no idea why is it necessary to link to a "Joker character" its all fiction anyway, but I don't like the idea that a story is only imagination in someone head we already know a movie story is mind born why make it double fake

                                                                                            • Wulfarath
                                                                                              Wulfarath  2 days back

                                                                                              I wouldn't take that as a certainty. Directors have always lied about what their next film would hold. So people wouldn't have certain expectations. It may be wishful thinking in the end. But that's the story I'm sticking with.